Amy Gonzalez on Healing Through Courage and Connection | 1,539

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Kevin McDonald (1:50): And welcome to positive talk, everybody. My name is Kevin McDonald, and Rochelle is right there. We've got an amazing guest. And if you're a woman or you know a woman or you like women, you need to pay attention to this episode because she helps them live their life bravely and with purpose. And isn't that right, Rochelle?

Rochelle (2:14): Yes. Amy Gonzalez, who better to come and share the steps into their braveness because she's helping guide women so that they can actually achieve that balance in their mind, body, soul, both professionally and personally, which is kind of all that matters in this world for us as women. So stay tuned for this full hour everybody and share it with somebody you know. If you're happening to listen in, please do share your comments and questions. And without further ado, Amy will be here in just a moment.

Unknown Speaker (2:47): There is a moment in every life when you decide to rise.

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Unknown Speaker (3:00): This is that moment. And here, we walk it together with stories that awaken, voices that inspire And truth that set you free. This is Positive Talk Radio with Kevin And with Brichelle. Where hope has a

Unknown Speaker (3:15): voice. And that voice

Kevin McDonald (3:17): Is yours. And welcome to Positive Talk Radio, everybody. My name is Kevin, and and Brichelle is right there. And and this episode has been all week in creating because Brichelle and a lot of the women that are in my world have got it's it's not that you've got issues, Brichelle. It's just that a different perspective sometimes can be helpful and instructive, and that's why Amy Gonzalez is here today.

Kevin McDonald (3:50): Would you like to introduce her?

Rochelle (3:52): Yes. Amy, what an honor to have you here, and thank you so much for coming into our world to share your message because I've learned braveness is not what I thought. So you're gonna help me maybe figure that out and some other women can learn through me and take these things as well. How are you doing today?

Amy Gonzalez (4:13): I am fantastic. Thank you, Kevin and Rochelle for having me on. It is truly an honor to share about the shift in perspective of what we think about bravery. So I am hoping to share my space with others and come along and ask some questions and we will do this in a nice collaborative effort because that's what it's all about.

Kevin McDonald (4:38): And you are a speaker and you are a coach and you are I I sense that there's a book in you somewhere and it's coming out soon if it's not out already. And am I correct in that young and by the way, Brichelle, her website, please.

Rochelle (4:55): Yes. Make sure everybody that you're following along with us at helloamygonzalez.com, where she's got all of the stuff that we're gonna be talking about today.

Amy Gonzalez (5:04): Yes. Yes. So looking forward to everyone to come on by and check me out. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (5:10): And the book? The book? The book?

Amy Gonzalez (5:14): The book is is manifesting as we speak. So it's in it's in the So any positive Juju that wants to be passed by my wife, please send it. Please send it.

Kevin McDonald (5:25): Well, you know what's gonna happen because it's in the ether and it's in your juju and stuff that you're gonna sit down and write it, then it's gonna flow like a river.

Unknown Speaker (5:37): That is what we're looking forward to. Yes. Yes. Yes. So bring it on.

Unknown Speaker (5:41): Bring it on. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (5:42): Is that what it was like finding all of this stuff into bravery or not so much?

Amy Gonzalez (5:48): No. So I guess we'll just kind of get right into it. You know, I would say about fourteen years ago is when that happened or that enough or the voice that truly I thought was in my head was very loudly spoken out in my space and one that I thought was I finally went off the deep end because I'm hearing things outside, but it actually was a tremendous amount of enough. And that was a culmination of living with mental well wellness, specifically, anxiety and having anxiety as a very young child. Originally from New York, I went through 09/11 and moved to, the South with now my ex husband in 2004.

Amy Gonzalez (6:34): So there was just a lot of things that that came with it. So, you know, for me, it was a moment of surrender of, okay. You know, where do I go from here? Mom with two kids at at at the time, my youngest was maybe one and a half when that final bit, that final part of where your body's finally, you know, letting you know. And I like to compare it to when you jump into a pool and you feel yourself sink to the bottom and you could feel the pressure of and and the weight of the water on your chest because you're holding your breath.

Amy Gonzalez (7:13): But you look up and you could still see the sky. It's like that moment where you decide, do I rise or do I sink? And my decision was to rise. And that was that ultimate, wait a second, that takes a lot of courage and bravery to choose to rise. So my perspective began to shift of how I view brave, how I view bravery.

Amy Gonzalez (7:38): We think bravery is, and as it is, a soldier or a fireman running into a burning building, in that moment was that big of nah, being human is brave because I made the choice to participate in my life. So that was that Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (7:56): I love that.

Kevin McDonald (7:57): You know what's interesting about major events like 09/11, not only is it my birthday, but it was a really cat you know, we think in terms of the people that were involved and the and the people that were killed and the and the and the their family members, but it involved an entire city and actually the entire country. And so many people faced difficulties because of that event. It's it's really interesting when you when you think about the how close we are knit as as one people and and that what affects one affects all. And I know that you found that in your work as well, haven't you?

Amy Gonzalez (8:44): Absolutely. So I would and take before that, you know, mental wellness has been, you know, part of each of our lives, whether we it was talked about, you know, you talk about generational conditioning where you don't mention if you are sad or happy, you know, it kind of morphed into, well, so and so drank a lot or, you know, someone so was very, very angry, you know, so the cultural aspect of talking about our feelings and, you know, there is no depression, there is no sadness, you know. With it, I also experienced my stepbrother who took his own life when he was 18. So that was the beginning. And then at nineeleven and it was like, like all my cinders kind of just busted because it was that kind of, you know, me looking at being human and me looking at humanity and all of those questions coming together and how do we survive?

Amy Gonzalez (9:38): How do we move through this this incredible opportunity of that one life, right? So, you know, nine eleven was kind of like that straw that broke that camel's back, but it was that New Yorkers are resilient and we come together, but so is so are we all. You know, when tragedy happens in our nation, we see it. People come out from all over, right? They they want to help.

Amy Gonzalez (10:06): So, there is an indirect effect and there's a direct effect, right? So when everything comes down, you know, like you just said, Kevin, yeah, the whole nation, you didn't have to physically be there to experience that sense of compassion, sadness, you know, all those emotions are the same, right? So that compounded on when we talk about, you know, each of us together as a community, we may not share the same experiences, but we could definitely relate to the same emotions. Yeah. And we're so

Unknown Speaker (10:37): sorry for your lost. I I must say that from continuing both.

Kevin McDonald (10:40): Well, and and I wanna add to that, which is if you are feeling depressed, if you are feeling like there is no way out for you, there's a number I want you to call. It's 988. It's a national hotline, suicide prevention hotline. And so if you're feeling alone, which by the way, you're never alone. There are people that care and love for you all the time.

Kevin McDonald (11:06): But if you're feeling that way, call 988 and they will get you the help that you need. And if you are a veteran, call 988 and hit the number 1 and that will take you to, the Veterans Administration and they can help you because you're valuable. Just like, Amy found out, he was valuable and it is so sad. I've witnessed a couple, my brother-in-law took his own life and it's been twenty five years now that he has not had, and we have not had the pleasure of having him around. And that's just, that's so sad.

Kevin McDonald (11:43): But then, but Rochelle's absolutely right. We are sorry for your loss. And Thank you. But you know, the work that you're doing and how you're doing it is gonna help other people get through it, and that is a mission from God in in my opinion.

Amy Gonzalez (12:00): Absolutely. Definitely feel that was divinely given and it that moment of, yeah, we are not alone. So when that shift occurred for me, it was almost like a veil lifted, right? Like, oh my god, the sky's blue and grass is green. Like, was this always here?

Amy Gonzalez (12:15): You know, kind of, you know, realization and that was that moment of surrender. So totally an advocate for therapy, totally an advocate for alternative therapy which is what I do and it was seeking out as much as I could and when that happens is where I feel like energetically things shift. So the universe is gonna mirror mirror it back. So meeting people from all walks of life, you know, and though I met sat with them for maybe an hour or so, they had that exchange. They had something I need and I had something they needed.

Amy Gonzalez (12:48): So all of this began to begin these four pillars for myself because everything shifted. I wound up getting a divorce and I was diagnosed with cancer. I mean, y'all, things just kept me coming. No, but reality, it's life, right? It's life.

Amy Gonzalez (13:04): This is, I'm not unique in this, right? Everyone has something. It's to me, what do you do with it? And even pausing for a bit is not doing nothing. It's still doing something.

Amy Gonzalez (13:17): You're making a choice to pause. So creating these four pillars, which became what I teach now is the four piece to piece. So the first one is shifting perspective. And I had a tremendous perspective shift. My career changed, everything shifted.

Amy Gonzalez (13:33): And then it moved into practicing because there was that moment of choice, right? You know, life is meant to do. Sun's gonna rise and set whether you either participate or not. So what do you do? Right?

Unknown Speaker (13:44): And keep choosing every day.

Amy Gonzalez (13:46): Keep choosing. Right. Right. It's practice. Right?

Amy Gonzalez (13:48): It just like, you know, you gotta run. You gotta practice. Yeah. Then it's patience, which is a virtue that I'm still looking for. I'm sure some of you are looking for that too.

Unknown Speaker (13:56): You know, I struggle with that one, and I wanna touch on it, Amy, because for the last few months, I've been so proud of myself. I've been so patient. Actually, I was being passive. And Okay.

Amy Gonzalez (14:08): So Damn it. But you know what? No. I would challenge you, shift their perspective. Is it really passive?

Amy Gonzalez (14:15): Because patience to me is also a in the eye of the beholder kind of space, right? Right. Patience is whatever you feel you need for yourself or patience, right? Now, with the anxiety warrior and having that anxiety piece, I was in fashion and music for a very, very long time, production management. So, you know, if things were not in a color coordinated spreadsheet, I couldn't function.

Amy Gonzalez (14:39): Right? I mean, literally, you know, like ticking off the boxes. So that upheaval literally ripped up that spreadsheet and learning to know that, yes, I want to get to step nine, but I need step one through eight to get there. Because it's that juice, it's that meat that's in between that makes it all worthwhile and great. And that's the practice part.

Amy Gonzalez (15:02): So the patience part was giving myself permission to just woosa or chill out, right? And even if I had to put a timer on for like five minutes, you know, look over every so often, you know, I'm giving myself that pause. So that became P number three. And then P number four was purpose. And that was just purpose just in the moment, not purpose in the whole.

Amy Gonzalez (15:25): Because that goes back to the anxiety piece. It's like, I don't need to discover everything at once. And I use these four Ps every single day. So though I teach it and I've been practicing this for fourteen years, and you, you know, got to me about an hour ago, I was like, oh my god. I need being number three.

Unknown Speaker (15:44): So

Kevin McDonald (15:45): yeah. Well, and and, you know, Amy, and I wanna bring this up because I think it happens to a lot of people, especially my my favorite sex, happens to be women. And that and that is that some people are trying so hard. They're working to develop themselves and do stuff, and they think at one point when they're gonna get to a point where everything's gonna be just perfect, and they're gonna continue I'm talking to somebody.

Unknown Speaker (16:13): For perfection. I just wanted a break. Just want a break.

Kevin McDonald (16:18): And and the thing is is that the it never stops. And when you think that you've gotten to where you want to be, you're not there yet. And sometimes things will turn negative or they'll be challenging for you because in my world, that's how the universe grows you and and and stuff is to challenge you a little bit. And but talk about that because one of my dear, dear friends had a bit of a meltdown because it's like, hi. I'm I'm on my way.

Unknown Speaker (16:53): How come it's good? How come it's so hard sometimes? Talk about that, would you?

Amy Gonzalez (16:57): So for me, it's shifting the perspective of even the words that we use. So there's a tremendous book that totally shifted my life, which is called The Four Agreements, and that's by Don Miguel Ruiz. And the first agreement is being impeccable with your word. And that, I mean, about like, you know, fish that slaps you over your face or the shoe that flies, right? I, it was like, oh, this is, I could do this.

Amy Gonzalez (17:23): This is so simplistic. And it was, dang it, one of our most difficult agreements. It's when you stop and think about how you speak to others, and then you stop and think about how you speak to yourself. That's when everything just shifts. Right?

Amy Gonzalez (17:39): So it's all that moment of saying, okay, this is a difficult situation that I am, but it's not permanent. It's a snapshot in the grand scheme of things. And it's just a it's a creating new habit and it's a repetitive, dialogue with myself and a repetitive dialogue that I give to my clients. And I will constantly be in a space of shifting words. I'm like, give me a different word than this.

Amy Gonzalez (18:08): Right? And that's because we've been we've been taught to to speak in these what ifs and shoulda, woulda, coulda's and have tos and shoulds, you know, so definitive when the reality is like, we don't have to do anything. It's a choice. Right? It's a choice, and it's making that shift.

Unknown Speaker (18:25): And speaking of which, mister Gaudi 1971 has made a choice, hasn't he, Burchell?

Rochelle (18:30): Yes. He has. Hey, dad. I love you. He says good afternoon, Kevin Berchel and Amy.

Rochelle (18:35): Thank you for being here. My dad is one person that can sit and prove. He just turned 55, and he decided a few years ago he was gonna live his life differently. And he is seriously doing it, so just know that it's never too late. You can always make that decision.

Rochelle (18:49): When I was listening to you talk, Amy, one thing I'd love to talk to you about in the duration of the show is trusting in yourself. Because all that language and all that kind of stuff ties into it, and maybe sharing a little story with you. But first, make sure everybody that you are following along at helloamygonzalez.com, where you can find all the resources we're gonna be talking about today through this hour. And Kevin, she said so many points to ponder. This is becoming so normal.

Unknown Speaker (19:20): It is.

Unknown Speaker (19:21): Which one especially we'd like to show her first.

Kevin McDonald (19:24): I have. And these points to ponder are are designed to, to to reinforce the message that we are talking about during the course of the show. And one of them is how do you talk to yourself even when you're looking in the mirror? Here's another point to ponder by Positive Talk Radio. A woman spent years hating the reflection in her mirror.

Kevin McDonald (19:49): One day, she whispered, I am enough. Day by day, her reflection became her friend. Self love begins with the words you tell yourself. Speak gently because you are listening. This is brought to you by Positive Talk Radio where stories of hope come alive.

Kevin McDonald (20:10): And, Amy, I gotta tell you, you're one of us, and we love you for everything that you do. And what did you think of that piece?

Amy Gonzalez (20:18): That was beautiful. Know, I'm a visual person. I'm also a very tangible person. So when I see things like that, it just adds to another space of, you know, I'm gonna save that and go back to it as often as I can, you know, when when I'm in that space. And that's something that, again, I've added to that toolkit for for myself.

Unknown Speaker (20:39): So that was beautiful. I like how it came out.

Kevin McDonald (20:42): Perfect. And and, Rochelle, you had more questions to ask.

Rochelle (20:47): Yes. Really, Amy, I'd love your perspective on this. So I I've been practicing. You know, I I recognized that I was being passive and not patient because of how I was emotionally feeling internally. I wasn't actually in that space of peace.

Rochelle (21:04): I was just holding it all inside and it had nowhere to go. So you know how that builds up and then you freak out and then you're like, oh. So I've built the awareness and having that first and foremost. I'm not extending myself sometimes. But my grandpa's been struggling and I've been trying to help him as much as I can.

Rochelle (21:21): I've been in situations I have absolutely no control of. Right? This really, like, trust in so much more than even just myself. But working through this with him, last weekend, I was in the mountains because I wanted to take time to myself. And it didn't turn out to still be a very good day, if I'm honest.

Rochelle (21:38): But over the weekend, my grandpa's heart had stopped, and he decided he wanted to be resuscitated again, so they brought him back. I didn't know about any of this until yesterday when I had finally got word on where grandpa was and what was going on. And I recognized for the first time that I had a choice and how I was gonna handle that itself. Everything that's already happened, it's just getting worse day by day. And I asked him, grandpa, I've recognized that I wanna be here helping you every waking moment I can, but I've also recognized that that puts more stress on you thinking about your suit your situation a little bit more.

Rochelle (22:18): And I need space and time to myself so I can go be at peace in nature. And I told him, are you okay this weekend if I if I go spend the night in the mountains? I might not have service, but I wanna trust that no matter what, you know that I love you and somebody will be there. And he told me to do that. And I was surprised by it and also surprised by myself being able to recognize to ask the person who I'm helping the most, who needs me the most.

Rochelle (22:46): If they can be understanding of me taking that time so I can continue showing up at my fullest. What do you think about that?

Amy Gonzalez (22:53): I think that's a beautiful opportunity of for yourself that you gave yourself to have great communication. Right? Communication with yourself and communication with with your grandfather. That space of asking permission. First and foremost, I would suggest asking yourself, what do you need first to be fully present for your grandfather?

Amy Gonzalez (23:14): And also asking your grandfather, how do you need me to show up for you? Right? It holding your hand? Is it a hug? And in this space of offering myself self care, I'm gonna go be in the mountains.

Amy Gonzalez (23:30): I'm gonna ground my energy, right? I'm just gonna be with nature and knowing fully in that space of trust, like you said, that whatever is going to happen is, but that he is completely safe and with, you know, folks that are gonna take care of them. So bravo to you. That gave you, I hope you gave yourself a lot of props because for you are in that moment of of self care. And that's a lot that I see of changing again that perspective of how we define self care.

Amy Gonzalez (23:58): It's not selfish, you know, that whole concept of putting the mask on first when you're on the airplane is exactly spot on, right? It's, you know, making sure you're okay so that then you can take care of others. But if the one is not, nothing else is going to happen right? Yeah. And it becomes that rippled effect you know it's like when you begin to do it then the people around you begin to emulate like you know what has she got I want some of that you know and then you get to share what it is that I am choosing myself, you know, in that moment.

Amy Gonzalez (24:31): Can you give me a quick I'd love to know what you meant by passive. When you said you were being passive.

Rochelle (24:37): More more I thought, oh, you know, I letting things go. No, girl. I was not letting things go, Amy. I was stuffing them. They were I was holding on to those things so tight, but I was convincing myself that it not convincing.

Rochelle (24:52): I'm just at a place to where I can understand so much, but my physical emotional body is still holding that. And that's the reason I brought up being aware of that choice I had with my grandpa and how I was gonna take that further because we've already evaluated our relationship. But also, if I wouldn't have asked him for that space of giving him the permission to explain why maybe he didn't want me to do that, then, you know, it it gives room for that, but it also avoids this it's hard to say because if he would have been like, no, I need you here for blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, then, you know, I didn't see that coming. But but in the way of passive, letting things kind of just tuck them under the rug, throw them behind that mirror, you know, just maybe we'll come back to that or, you know, I I understand that or I've learned enough. That doesn't need to affect me.

Unknown Speaker (25:50): But it

Unknown Speaker (25:52): It does.

Rochelle (25:53): And so I have to be very honest with myself and go back to the trust of what is this really? Is this my intuition? You know? You know? Doing going back to the peeling layers off when I have those moments instead of just, nah.

Rochelle (26:10): I don't have time for that or that's doesn't need to be felt type of thing.

Amy Gonzalez (26:14): So I'd love challenge you and shift when you said that you have to. You don't have to do anything.

Unknown Speaker (26:20): I hear that every day. You think I'd get it.

Amy Gonzalez (26:24): And you know what? And so but that's so brilliant, though, because when and that goes back to that first agreement. Right? It's all the words that we say that really start to create this caveat to things. Like, you don't have to do anything.

Amy Gonzalez (26:38): What I would say what is what is imperative to do is, again, people, oh, so simplistic, just breathe, man. Just take a moment Seriously. Because when you breathe, you're actually shifting the perspective in your body, right? You're giving yourself, you know, fresh blood cells and stuff like that. Just that moment right?

Amy Gonzalez (26:59): Then clarity can begin to unfold. And it's literally creating a new habit. That's all this is is that we're creating a new habit of how we speak to ourselves, how we speak to others, how we communicate, and that release of that codependent upon each other right. You know being there and being there for family. Yes it's important of course, but so are your needs and finding that healthy balance in between.

Unknown Speaker (27:23): And that's tough. Believe me. Again, this ain't all what you see right now.

Unknown Speaker (27:27): Yeah. You know?

Unknown Speaker (27:28): You know? Well, I love that you mentioned the breathing,

Rochelle (27:30): Amy, because since I started the breathing, it doesn't shut me down, which is the opposite of I don't have to do anything and then I do nothing. So it it it really helped that as well. And my dad's here to say The Four Agreements. It was a great book. And you know, it's crazy.

Rochelle (27:44): I read that book about two and a half years ago right before I met Kevin and made that choice to change my life because there was nothing else if I was gonna be alive. Right? There's no option. And I just found the book probably over this last weekend and thought, hey, maybe I'll read that again.

Amy Gonzalez (28:01): It's time to split it up again. When I discovered the book, I was taking this tremendous movement practice called NIA, which stands for Neurological Integrative Action and it was an opportunity for me to feel into my body. Again I get it when I am in my anxiety space years ago everything would tighten up right that's the only way I would know how to survive. So breathing I would breathe very shallow not full breath right. So taking this practice they mentioned that book and I remember being blown away and I called my mom, and I'm like, ma, let me tell you about this book.

Amy Gonzalez (28:38): It's fantastic. And she starts laughing, and she's like, you have that book. I said, no. I don't. She's like, alright.

Amy Gonzalez (28:43): We'll find it when you get back. And sure enough, it was like literally four inches deep of dust sitting on the on the, you know, the desk, and I'm like, son of a nutcracker. Are you like

Unknown Speaker (28:53): Right when you need it. Right when

Amy Gonzalez (28:54): I need it. And when I read it, when I tell you Tell you, like, putting notes in the margins and things and mine has little sticky notes and it's something that I offer each of my clients to read to start. And it's just reference, I'm not here to change your belief, but it's to enhance it. And that book really did that for me.

Rochelle (29:14): Yeah. Well, and as Kevin, you know, I've been with you for a long time, and I continue to tell him, Amy, I learned things then, but I'm learning again because it's different. I have a new mind. I have new emotions. I have values and all of these things that I didn't have before.

Rochelle (29:30): So Kevin, I'll go have to read that book. I I was just telling him about this over the weekend. So I'll have to share some of what I learned differently with you.

Kevin McDonald (29:40): And you know, Amy, I've been around so long. I interviewed him, Don Luis, in in 2003.

Unknown Speaker (29:49): Wow. Amazing. What did he say? Tell us.

Kevin McDonald (29:53): He he he talked about his book and how it came to be and how it impacted his life, which was a really big deal for him. And he said, I can't I can't keep this to myself. So that really is really how the book came about. And And between him and Neil Donald Walsch and Gary Zukoff and so many others, there's some great works out there that you can learn from. But a lot of times, Amy, and you know this, the book is just the start.

Kevin McDonald (30:25): Then you need somebody to that you can bounce that off of and you can discuss it so that you can figure out how your own system is gonna handle the changes because there are big changes that that are involved with that. Speaking your own truth and speaking the truth all the time is a bit of a challenge for most of us.

Amy Gonzalez (30:47): It it definitely is. And it's, you know, showing up every day and choosing self every day, it's a challenge for some and some days and some days it's like, I'm all, you know, gung ho. Some days I wanna just stay in my jammies all day and not do anything else. I allow myself, I give my myself that permission to discover that this is my truth for just for today. And it is, it's this, you know, seesaw balanced space of, okay, this is where I am right now.

Amy Gonzalez (31:21): I'm a human with this with this this anxiety, feeling going on, but I'm also this incredible spiritual being that, you know, finding that duality of both, finding that yin and yang as they say. So it's something that I, achieve daily, try to achieve daily.

Kevin McDonald (31:40): Well, and there was a wise woman that I was just listening to this today and then and she said, you know, when you get out of bed in the morning and you put your pants on, you've already made the commitment that that's what you you're smiling because you know who that woman was is, don't you?

Unknown Speaker (31:58): That is I.

Unknown Speaker (32:02): Isn't that funny?

Amy Gonzalez (32:03): Yeah, come think of it. It's true. I don't know, you know, if you've made that choice, you know, that's the way I'm gonna go. And you know, my brother truly is I know with me all the time and since then have known many, many people that have journeyed that same path of someone that has chosen to, you know, take their own lives. And it's this constant dialogue that I wanna have with as many people as possible.

Amy Gonzalez (32:33): And and to share this is, you know, communication to me is is where it starts. And it's it's inquiring without trying to fix anything. Right? Using the phrase, you know, holding space for someone. It's just holding the space.

Amy Gonzalez (32:48): You're not there to offer an opinion. You're not there to fix it. It's just to be with someone. So, Kevin, when you said earlier about, you know, we are never alone, that truly is it, and it's, it's learning, you know, to hold that space without all of that with it. You know?

Amy Gonzalez (33:05): Just wanna hold your hand. Fine. Wanna share some ice cream? Fine. You know?

Unknown Speaker (33:09): I also throw more food in there. Popcorn pie. You know? Like

Kevin McDonald (33:13): Exactly. And, Amy, I wanted to make this point too, and that is and I'd love your opinion on this because Brichelle asked her grandfather for permission to go to the mountains over the weekend. And, a lot of us, when we make a decision or we're not there and somebody takes that moment to transition, and then we feel this incredible guilt because we weren't there. In those cases, and in a lot of cases, they have they've got friends and fam I'm painting a picture for you. They've got friends and family around them at that moment, and the people that have passed on are there for them.

Kevin McDonald (33:58): And many times, and I've heard this story many, many, many times, that somebody will say, and this somebody on the show a couple of months ago said, you know, I left the room and he passed away.

Unknown Speaker (34:11): Mhmm. Mhmm. Yep.

Kevin McDonald (34:13): And a lot of times, that's it because they don't wanna burden us with watching them take their last breath and I wouldn't want to. I I would have all the people that I need around me at the time. So you go to the mountains and have a great time, girl, and do not think and do not be guilty about it at all. Do you agree with that?

Amy Gonzalez (34:33): 10,000 a million percent. I had the utmost privilege and honor to watch my father transition as well as my cousin, as well as my uncle. And, you know, it has become one of the most incredible honored events for me to be in that space and understand that this has nothing to do with me. This has to do with them. And when they are talking to many folks who are not physically there, but they're there, and they are having that communication, there's this tremendous sense of they're okay, and they're going to be okay.

Amy Gonzalez (35:13): And it is more for me to know that, you know, they're gonna be fine. They're gonna be where they need to be. And now it's my opportunity to just be witness of this tremendous opportunity that we have to be human. Yeah. And, you know, it's something that I wish everyone had the opportunity to see.

Amy Gonzalez (35:36): The sadness is definitely there. And grief, grief will show up many, many different ways. How Maybe incredible beforehand too.

Unknown Speaker (35:44): We don't talk to nobody realizes that.

Amy Gonzalez (35:46): No. No. And that's why we have these amazing things like death doulas and hospice. And I mean, they're phenomenal, absolutely incredible humans, you know, that get to be part of this and then educate others, you know, and know that it takes the sting out and it just humanizes it, right? And I guess just bring it down to a notch where, you know what, You know, we've been doing this since

Rochelle (36:08): the beginning of time. Yeah. You know what's crazy too, Kevin? I I my grandpa has had two other near death experiences, and he never talked about being afraid of death until recently, like,

Unknown Speaker (36:21): in the

Rochelle (36:21): last maybe two weeks. And then after this happened, this scenario that could've I could've chose to make this huge thing and making sure I never leave his side, but now he's not afraid. And it was the one time he said that he everybody was there, but they weren't welcoming. There was, like, there was a wall of energy that he like, they were there, but it wasn't tangible. And he just knew that, like, he wasn't they weren't ready for him on the other side.

Rochelle (36:50): And now he's he already knows what it's like when you actually are dying, but he's not afraid of it anymore because they told him to come back. And I don't know how that makes sense, but I think it's pretty cool because now he trusts himself, Amy. Now that he's not worried about me worrying about him, it's, it's bigger than that. So it's just so beautiful, actually.

Amy Gonzalez (37:18): Is beautiful and so brilliant too for him is that he he gave himself permission to surrender into that space and, you know, get ready to transition. A lot of clients that I have will say, you know, Amy, when when do we get it? You know, we talk about embracing all this information and when when do we get it? I said, you get it when you were sent to the great beyond, man. Like, we we gotta go through all this, you know, and there's these moments of like leveling up and leveling up and just when you think you had like, you know, 10,000,000 doctorate degrees in life and another life situation is gonna come by, it's on a Von Nutcracker again.

Amy Gonzalez (37:51): Right? That to me, again, my perspective, the culmination of everything is when those folks come by and they're like, well, here you go. It's time. Yeah. It's time.

Unknown Speaker (38:01): I think he

Rochelle (38:01): was excited. He's like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna find out what I didn't see the last two times. And they were like

Amy Gonzalez (38:07): You know what? Start recording. Start writing stuff down because that's, again, why we hear all this information. And, you know, movie I'm sorry, documentaries and then books about, you know, folks who have had these moments of death and then they've come back. There's so much truth in it.

Amy Gonzalez (38:26): And the more we hear about it, the more for me, it definitely is easing that intensity of

Rochelle (38:31): what are we afraid for? Well, know Kevin's got some questions based off of this. So we're gonna keep talking about it. Kevin, I don't know if you saw her website. She's talking about in what is it?

Rochelle (38:43): Intuitiveness and what that really is. Because for women, I think we've got so many emotions and thoughts. Sometimes we don't know what's what. And maybe Amy can help us, but make sure you are following along at helloamygonzalez.com and using all the tools and resources you have and ways to connect with her as well. But first, Kevin, do you have a question?

Kevin McDonald (39:08): Well, first of all, I wanna I wanna make sure everybody knows that a foundational book in my life is called Journey of Souls by doctor Michael Newton. And if you pick up that book and read it, you will it will change your perspective. And then look at some NDEs, some near death experiences that and and it will change your perspective, and it will change it in the way that I think is really instructive to the work that you do. We will let when my life is over, I will let that play out as it's going to because it's already predetermined that I get to go home and I get to meet everybody and it's gonna be great. But while I'm here, I've got a lot of work to do to make myself and to have the ripple effect that I can create for myself and other people, because that is our foundational principle of why we're here, is to take care.

Unknown Speaker (40:08): Do you agree with that?

Amy Gonzalez (40:10): So much so. I remember when I was on my way to, I had a pretty severe case of melanoma. So I'm on my way to surgery and it again was that moment, another where I'm driving to the hospital and I'm like in this very second someone is being birthed and someone is dying. Right? And you hear the sirens, everything is going around you and that was that P number number two that life is going to go on whether you participate or not, right?

Amy Gonzalez (40:47): So you have a choice to practice or don't. Like you know to me it's that this tremendous gift of a vessel that you get to be in this world. Now, what do you do with it? Right? And that was that, again, that Lego piece connection of, you know, energy is going to flow whether you are going to be in it or not.

Amy Gonzalez (41:09): So there is a cyclical energy with it. So here's this opportunity, right? That I get to shift perspective or not, you know, and that's okay. And that's absolutely okay. And that's what I tell clients and other people.

Amy Gonzalez (41:24): If your neighbor chooses not to, that's okay because that's their choice, right? My choice is this, and I'm gonna continue to move through it. So when I think about those who have passed in my life, that's it. They don't get to see this anymore. They do in a different way, but they don't get to see it in a earthly form, right?

Amy Gonzalez (41:42): So I'm going to be that much more cognizant and aware of, you know, God, that's a gorgeous sunset or that's a, you know, God, listen to those birds. And so it's more fulfilling for me because I know loss and so does all of us on this planet and it's putting those two together.

Kevin McDonald (42:02): And when you when they gave you that diagnosis and and you started looking it up by the way, Doctor Google is not the place to go to get health advice.

Unknown Speaker (42:12): No. No. You can't

Unknown Speaker (42:15): Google everything, people. Come on now.

Kevin McDonald (42:18): Well, because because if you Google it, it's gonna say, oh, boy, you're gonna die next week. But Yeah. But when you went through that and you faced your mortality, what was your first thought?

Amy Gonzalez (42:35): I'm a solution driven person, So I feel that there's a solution for everything, even if that solution is I need to lose an

Unknown Speaker (42:42): arm or, you know What do I do?

Amy Gonzalez (42:44): Of my face. What do I do? What do I gotta do? And that it's that kind of rise in the challenge. It's a challenge.

Amy Gonzalez (42:51): I like a challenge. So it was another opportunity space of, okay, how can I utilize all of my tools and not literally freak out and go off the deep end? And that was to, again, only listen to what was presented to me and as opposed to, you know, WebMD, Google, or any other thing that I could look at and, you know, that would be it. So yes.

Kevin McDonald (43:15): And and by the way, I wanna play a point to ponder that speaks directly to that because I think that you that rather than saying to somebody, I would you know, because there are songs out there that, I would die for love. Well, how about living for it? Here is another point to ponder by Positive Talk Radio. The world is full of people who would die for someone they love. But what about living for them?

Kevin McDonald (43:45): Waking up early to take care of your health, letting go of the habits that steal your years, choosing rest instead of running yourself empty. The truth is your family doesn't want a hero who dies for them. They want a parent who stays, a friend who grows old with them, a soul who chooses life every single day. Don't just die for love. Live for it.

Kevin McDonald (44:16): While you're still here, don't retire from life because every day is precious. And Amy, in your work in on your website, which, Bershell, that is?

Rochelle (44:29): Yes. Hello. Amygonzalez.com is where you can go. You can learn so much about her and her work, ask questions, and contact her yourself, and read what other people have to say before you create your own opinion.

Kevin McDonald (44:43): And I have learned one of the things that I've learned from from all of the, readings and interviews that I've done is this is a hard place. We've chosen to come to a difficult place to have this experience. Is that in your world, is that true?

Amy Gonzalez (45:06): First, I shift the word from hard to difficult. Hard is a surface for me. So again, my words make a difference in where I'm gonna start that. I'm gonna be quiet for like a week, Amy. I'm not

Unknown Speaker (45:19): I'm just not gonna talk.

Amy Gonzalez (45:21): The more you practice is the more you hear it, and then you'll be like online, say, getting coughing. You're like, dang, man. They're not nice to each other. It's unbelievable. Do I think that it's an absolute honor and privilege to be in this space?

Amy Gonzalez (45:38): In my practice, it is, yes, it is one heck of a journey to be human as opposed to be that spiritual being. So when we are here, man, when I say yes, we are ascending with like a 100 PhDs and masters and all that in life because I feel that's what it takes. Yep.

Kevin McDonald (45:58): Yeah. At the same time, perspective is a great, teacher. And if your perspective is this is a great experience, and even the things that don't necessarily go well, you can laugh about them later on and and you can move through them because this is a grand adventure, isn't it?

Rochelle (46:19): Enduring. You can laugh during it too.

Amy Gonzalez (46:22): Yeah. It's something that has definitely carried me through and continues to do. It's just the pause of, again, like, oh, jeez. You know? Let me laugh at merely at myself, laugh at how lucky I am that I get to, you know, that I get to experience this, even when things are, you know, really not cool, not fun.

Unknown Speaker (46:49): Like

Unknown Speaker (46:50): Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (46:50): You know, what do you what do you do with that? You know?

Unknown Speaker (46:53): Yeah. Nothing is fair, and you have to kinda soak that in. Kevin, do you have a question? And then I'm gonna ask one that might be a little longer. So

Unknown Speaker (47:02): Just just real quick. I wanna no. Actually, I just it just flew away, certainly.

Unknown Speaker (47:07): To you.

Unknown Speaker (47:08): It's happening. It happened. So go ahead, Rochelle.

Rochelle (47:12): Okay. If you remember, cut me off. Amy, I really just want to have you give us a little bit of your perspective when it comes to intuition, how to understand that in yourself as a woman.

Amy Gonzalez (47:24): Okay. Intuition is that gut knowing. It's that feeling in and I'll connect it to body because I'll talk about body a lot. Is that feeling within your your chest, your stomach, that overall sense like you just know it. One of those things.

Amy Gonzalez (47:41): Yes. It's a knowing. It's an inner knowing. And I like to correlate it to like a pilot light, right? So each of us has these little pilot lights inside of us.

Amy Gonzalez (47:50): And sometimes it's a little bit dimmer. Sometimes it gets bigger and so on and so forth. So when we are fully connected with ourselves, that pilot light gets really big and we could feel it all over our person. When it gets dim is when the human side comes in and that's when anxiety and then questioning and then ego and it's like oh here we go I'm now on this old big machiva because I'm just like I don't know what to believe now. And we veered away from ourselves.

Amy Gonzalez (48:15): So when someone says oh I feel outside of myself that to me I would explain is that that intuition that knowing is removed outside because you're more in your head, not in head.

Rochelle (48:30): Is that what you experienced? Is that how you figured it out?

Amy Gonzalez (48:33): I've always been a spiritual individual. So and have read things. You know, I was raised Catholic. I am no longer practicing. So the basis of a universal spiritual sense happened young, if you want to say.

Amy Gonzalez (48:49): And then it made sense when I defected at 16 and got into this space and really connected the dots. And what I experienced at that moment was, yeah, this overall knowing to the point that I heard it. I heard the word enough and, you know, it was definitely it was me. It was my voice. And whoever else was like, it's time girl, you gotta do something.

Unknown Speaker (49:14): Yeah, you're hearing that, you're not crazy, it's valid. You're so

Amy Gonzalez (49:17): happy. And then that really began that journey of rediscovering faith rediscovering faith in myself, connecting it to this, you know, we all have it. There is no Yes. You do and I don't. We all have it.

Unknown Speaker (49:32): I agree.

Kevin McDonald (49:32): Well, and I I wanna just mention that real quick because it's not that you are quote unquote anti religion. You're a retired Catholic. I'm a retired Lutheran. It's not that what they talk about in those spaces is what I would term as wrong. It's just limiting.

Amy Gonzalez (49:51): And and and I like to say to folks that, you know, again, I'm not here to change your belief. I'm here to to enhance it. So though I don't practice the dogmatic practices of religion, I have taken so much from what it is to believe, what it is to trust, things that you can't see, and also correlating it to what we've been doing as humans since the beginning of time. Right? We've trusted the earth.

Amy Gonzalez (50:17): We trusted the sky. So all of that, and we trusted each other. So that has become my kind of combination of but in the end, it's yeah. I I'm not saying you're wrong. It's here's a shift in perspective is what I Right.

Kevin McDonald (50:33): And I I have been dying to find a spot to put this in for the last several days. And so this is that spot. And, because you said the you said one of my favorite words in the English language is trust. And when you have a moment in time when your intuition tells you that a change needs to be made, because what is working for what is happening now is not working. And then you trust that the right thing is going to come around at the right time, which is going to fulfill everything that you want it to be.

Kevin McDonald (51:09): I'll give you an example. We left a company that we've been working with for a couple of years. We left them, in February. And the the reason we left them is it wasn't working anymore. So my my thought was, I'm gonna trust.

Kevin McDonald (51:24): I'm gonna trust at the right place, the right people, the right thing is gonna come around at the right time, and just let it be. There's the gospel according to Paul McCartney, by the way. Let it be. And so then, thirty eight to thirty nine days ago, we interview a young lady who loved the show, loved what we do, and she said, there's all there's I'm on this place. This network is called Believe.

Kevin McDonald (51:52): You need to go talk to them because they and so she recommended us to them. And and so then now we are with them, and it is a much better deal. But but I trust, and this is the intuitive part, I trusted that my intuition was correct. I didn't question it. We just moved forward from it, and the great things happened because we then did the unthinkable, we listened.

Rochelle (52:20): Well and Kevin, you you said it. Oh my gosh. Did the you just said it because it was like a slingshot. We gave ourselves that opportunity. We we went forward.

Rochelle (52:29): That's what you said. Most people would say they have those situations. They're like, oh, I'm going backwards. But if we didn't have that pull backwards, Amy, and then let go of that slingshot, we wouldn't have been where we're at now. So, yes, please speak on that.

Amy Gonzalez (52:43): So, again, that is that opportunity when you say this stuff really works. Right? So, and you're not going crazy. And I know when I first started this and I was like, I felt everything was falling around me and I would speak to my therapist or my healer, my guide. And I'd said, are you sure I am not losing it?

Amy Gonzalez (53:04): Are you sure I haven't just like gone off the deep end? And she's like, no, because I'm like, everything feels great. Everything feels fine. And the response was because you're trusting and that's trust. And when I again began to connect the feeling, right?

Amy Gonzalez (53:18): Again, back to the body, feeling that this feels good and there's no question, that's when the voice of trust and and belief got louder than the anxiety piece of that, okay, this can't be it, you know, for the shoe to drop, here we go, you know, always preparing for disappointment or preparing to collapse. And that's, you know, that's trauma, PTSD, and that's, you know, fight or flight, right? We're feeling all that. So it is a daily practice to discover this balance, right? And it ebbs and it flows.

Amy Gonzalez (53:53): And it's an opportunity that you could stop and say that I am moving forward, but I'm also going to just sit still. You're still doing, right? If you're still breathing, means you're on the right side of the dirt, right? Because you know, then that's something, so I'm gonna keep breathing, right? So all of that is, you know, man, I'm going forward even though I'm deciding to pause.

Amy Gonzalez (54:17): So yes.

Kevin McDonald (54:19): And and by the way, that that is so self instructive for folks. But did you ever think did you ever think when you were talking about going to your coach and your therapist and all that, did you ever think that someday that was gonna be you and you're going to have that impact on other people?

Amy Gonzalez (54:37): Absolutely not. I remember when I was going through my divorce and I created these four p's, I would start using them when I was teaching. And someone came up to me and they're like, well, how did you learn that? I said, what are you talking about? She's like, oh, perspective and practice.

Amy Gonzalez (54:52): I said, honey, this is what I used to get Right? Up every know, I'm lucky I have my undies on. Right? Like, I'm just surprised that I'm here. I hope I could say that on your thing.

Amy Gonzalez (55:04): Anyway, so I so she's like, well, can you teach that to me? I said, all right. You know, I'll teach that to you. And that's how this began to come about. And I was like, dang it.

Amy Gonzalez (55:14): I guess, you know, people really wanna hear. But I gathered all this because I had the opportunity to speak to other women out there when I was going through it. So it is a collaborative effort how I came up with these four p's.

Unknown Speaker (55:28): Damn. That experience.

Unknown Speaker (55:29): How do you feel when you see the light come on somebody's eyes?

Amy Gonzalez (55:36): Oh, man. It's, you know, tears. I, I have no personal space, so I wanna hug everybody. So it's like, you know, bring it in. Bring it in, you know, it is absolutely the most amazing feeling.

Amy Gonzalez (55:49): And I never was the person that said, oh, I'm gonna go to college to be X, Y, and Z. To find my purpose has been just so tremendous. To be this is it. Like, this is

Unknown Speaker (56:02): it. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (56:03): Mhmm. Great.

Unknown Speaker (56:04): Congratulations.

Unknown Speaker (56:05): You're graduating at life.

Amy Gonzalez (56:10): Man, I can't wait for that diploma. So

Unknown Speaker (56:14): No. That diploma is not gonna happen for you for a very long time because you

Unknown Speaker (56:18): got 37 times ago.

Amy Gonzalez (56:21): Yes. Is. That's what I said. God. Yeah.

Amy Gonzalez (56:23): I have how many doctorates? And

Kevin McDonald (56:26): You have got so many people that you are going to help over time who you're gonna they're gonna turn their own lights on in their own eyes when they're gonna get it because of something that you say. And

Amy Gonzalez (56:40): I really hope so, and I wanna take this global, man. I wanna go as far and wide as I can because to again, to work with another woman, to work with another group, and to share that knowledge together and, you know, I leave with something and I leave them, that's where this is all at. So

Kevin McDonald (56:56): And you are a person of service. Have you always been of service?

Amy Gonzalez (57:02): I yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was in entertainment and stuff, so I was always kind of the backstage person. And there came a point where I wanted to shift it and I wanted to be the event, right? I wanted to be the one that was out there.

Amy Gonzalez (57:18): That took some time. Not that I'm not, you know, Broadway. I mean, who do you wanna be on Broadway? So I always wanted to be out there. So this is my stage now.

Amy Gonzalez (57:27): So yeah.

Kevin McDonald (57:29): It's an important stage, and it's a big place to be, and there's a lot of responsibility to it.

Amy Gonzalez (57:35): There really is. Because with it comes I have two children. I have two amazing boys who live in this amazing spectrum world of neurodivergency and even more so of teaching them the importance of communication and pausing and perspective and all that.

Kevin McDonald (57:53): Well, congratulations on everything that you're doing. Brichelle, I know you have more questions.

Rochelle (57:59): I am just astounded, and I've gotta say this. I didn't recognize it, and I've been looking at your website this whole time, Amy. I love how you describe a part of your works as a sole polisher. Why?

Amy Gonzalez (58:13): For, you know, our heart, I imagined, you know, when you go get your shoe shined, that, right, and it just shines so brilliantly, that's what we're doing is we are, finding that space to shine up what's already there, you know? And then when we get to be that sole polisher, then you then become the brave reactivator for someone else, which is also what I use.

Unknown Speaker (58:39): Oh, hot damn. That's good, Kevin. Don't you wish you were a girl so you could work with her too?

Kevin McDonald (58:44): Well, we yeah. We've spent the last hour, and I've I've gained so much from from her and her perspective and and who she is. And and bless your soul for doing what you are doing because you I suspect, like me, and I like to say that this was the contract that I signed before I was even born to do this, and I'm willing to bet that you signed a contract to do what you're doing before you were born as well.

Amy Gonzalez (59:11): Without a doubt. Without a doubt. And it is a comforting feeling that I am in my person and feel it and feel that, you know, this is what it is, and I am truly grateful that it happened when it did, knowing the years before. The timing to me, timing is everything. Right?

Amy Gonzalez (59:29): We talk about the universal timing and trust. It happened when it was supposed to happen. And I will never downplay the incidents that did occur that got me to this space, but it is the education and the wisdom that I needed, right, to be a healer for someone else.

Kevin McDonald (59:45): And, you know, we were talking with a gentleman yesterday, Kenny Stauderton, and he said, you know, I wish I had done this twenty years ago when I was younger because I he's 52 now. And and I said, yeah. But don't you agree that you couldn't do what you do now if you didn't have the experiences that you had in the previous twenty years? And he said, oh, without a doubt. And they said, so why are you using those words about about regret, about not doing it earlier?

Kevin McDonald (1:00:13): There is a universal timing to every Do you agree?

Amy Gonzalez (1:00:18): 1,000 per I don't use the word regret. I've really worked very diligently to, again, remove that word for I don't regret. I am saddened by the incidents that occurred, but then I'm reminded that, you know, those are whatever their contracts were and, you know, situation that happened, but what did I do with it? You know, and it returns back to the I. How did I react?

Amy Gonzalez (1:00:42): How am I doing to then break it up, you know, going forward? So, no, don't really worry.

Rochelle (1:00:47): We've talked about a really resilience a lot, Amy, and you are redefining it in itself and helping us realize that we can do the same thing. Even if maybe we're at our rock bottom, there's somebody like you who can be there out of experience to help that person maybe make a different choice and be able to take that into helping other people achieve their bravery and other people being able to activate that as well. As we run out of time, everybody, sadly oh my god. This always happens. Amy, will you please come back to join us for another show?

Unknown Speaker (1:01:24): I would love to. I would love to. Well, you said you'd

Unknown Speaker (1:01:28): wanna send this out everywhere, so that's

Unknown Speaker (1:01:30): what we're gonna help you do.

Rochelle (1:01:32): Thank you. Everybody make sure that you go to helloamygonzalez.com where you can find all of her information and check out some things with other people she's worked with. Kevin, thank you so much for allowing us to have these conversations and hold this space for us to

Unknown Speaker (1:01:50): I had no our partners.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:52): Yeah. I

Unknown Speaker (1:01:52): had no choice, Terry.

Amy Gonzalez (1:01:54): I'd like to thank you both truly. And as I end everything, my tagline is tagline is to brave on. So I wish you and all the listeners to brave on.

Rochelle (1:02:05): Keep swimming. Keep braving on. Keep being a braver on her.

Amy Gonzalez (1:02:11): Well, brave on. Just didn't get work. Braver on her. Brave is an energetic acronym that means a bold, resilient, authentic, vulnerable energy. So we brave on.

Kevin McDonald (1:02:21): See, when you say brave on, I think of brave heart. And there's a there's a line from that movie that resin has resonated to me ever since the first time I heard it, and that is your heart is free. The courage to follow it. And that is that to me is the ultimate bravery. And and so, Amy Gonzales, you are a treasure, my dear, and and thank you for being here.

Kevin McDonald (1:02:47): And and it's it's just been wonderful. And, Rochelle, did you learn anything?

Rochelle (1:02:53): Maybe a little too much. Just kidding. It's not possible. And as Amy says, people realize that you deserve to find that courage in yourself, to have that bravery, to keep braving on. And Amy, until next time, we love you so much, and I can't wait to see all the places that you fly to.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:11): Thank you.

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